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Bill Maisey	Jefferson 500 returns to Summit Point		Lead	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2173 06/09/08 08:51:47	Tags : None Brian Redman's Jefferson 500 was a vintage event at Summit Point for many years. It was one of the premier east coast gatherings and enjoyed large turnouts. The event has been idle for two years, but now a couple of prominent racers have revived it and secured dates on the Summit calendar. The revival will begin in May 2009 under the sanction of the Vintage Race Group. The promoters, with strong ties to track ownership, plan some innovations. Of interest to SportsRacers, is the inclusion of a class for flat bottom DSRs. The DSRs will run in the same group as the S2000's, which frequently have 15 to 20 entries on the east coast. There will be separate awards. A "Class Director" will be appointed who will develop the class rules and oversee compliance. Talks with SVRA indicate that the flat bottom DSRs will be welcome at their races also. A web site for the Jefferson 500 is under development and more information will be available there. Understand that in keeping with the goal of making the event a festival, umbrella girls will be providing shade on the grid. Cool. OK, all you DSR owners; you have 11 months to get out to your shop and to get your aging warrior ready. An impressive turn out would cement the future for older DSRs. Who would likely come and play? Flyer
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farrout		#1	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 80 06/11/08 12:39:06	Bill - Please define "Flat Bottom" DSRs. Does age of the DSR matter? I am talking a 90's Amac. A couple of years ago, I tried to run my LeGrand with the Vintage folks and got told that it had to have a period engine (i.e., 750cc) Craig Farr 1999 AMAC AM7 Madison, AL
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Bill Maisey	Vintage DSRs	#2	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2174 06/11/08 13:23:52	Organizers will be writing the rules. Intention is to include cars such as Amacs, Cheetah, LeGrand and home builts. No tunnels or rear diffusers. Configuration, not age, will be determining factor. Engines will be 1000 cc bike and the old car engines rules. Goal is to get all the prehiSTOHRic cars out and running. Last Edited By: Bill Maisey 06/11/08 21:59:32. Edited 1 time.
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Dean Todd	Flat bottomed DSR's	#3	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 17 06/11/08 19:24:20	In my letter to the BOD and CRB I strongly proposed the breaking S/R's into tunnel and flat bottomed classes (no tunnels or defusers, wings only). My premise was that as mentioned there is a large number of older S/R's parked as well as the dwindling number of S2's out there that could easily make 2 very competitive classes. The benefit to the SCCA is multifaceted; 1. the number of cars (currently parked under tarps in the garage) that could swell the entry lists, 2. the ease of making cars competitive, ie weight and induction restrictions, 3. reducing a class, a prime directive of the SCCA, for the future all without hurting anyones feelings or competitiveness. I look forward to everyones thoughts and comments on this proposal. Thank you, Deane "Zero MY Hero" Todd
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Duane Dyckman	Letters to the CRB/BOD	#4	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 320 06/12/08 12:10:58	Dean, Without commenting on what you want accomplished I'll make a comment on the process itself. In my opinion simply writing to the BOD with what I call "wish" letters is not effective. You need to organize and lobby plus have an advocate on the CRB/BOD. The BOD just tried to consolidate the classes by a unanimous vote. They have no independent reason to change rules. They will simply take your letter and reply, in Fastrack, "Thank you for your input". You need an advocate on the BOD. I suggest calling your BOD member and running the idea by him/her. If you can convince them that they will argue in your behalf you have 25% of the job done. The rest is more difficult. Your advocate has to convince a majority of the other BOD members. To do that they need facts. The argument about old cars under tarps has been used for years. Whether true or not it has no support currently. Now, if you could get enough garage queen owners and owners of currently uncompetitive cars (the SCCA has always said that they do not owe you a competitive car, only a place to race it) to write a letter and support the concept you have an additional 25% done assuming you get enough letters. What number is enough? The next 25% involves the rules which you propose. Giving the club the concept without significant detail is not going to get the job done. Write the rules and explain what the rules intend and what you believe the outcome will be. Finally, tell the BOD the time span in which you believe the car count will arrive at a stated participation rate, 2.5 cars won't cut it. On several forums people have commented that they believe that participation should govern the existence of a national class. The required participation rate will increase over time. From 2.5 to 3.0 to 3.5, etc. A year or so ago I floated almost the same concept by a then current member of the F/SR advisory board. Their response - "it'll never happen". And that was from a person who plays on our playground!! Good Luck! I own a FC car being converted to a DSR which will be on the track in September. It'll be too heavy and old technology even with nose diffuser and tunnels. I am not dismissive of your concerns. I live there also. P.S. Telling S2 that they should come play with the DSR will not be well received IMO.
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ROFracing	Older DSR's in vintage	#5	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 23 06/12/08 12:29:32	First off, thanks to Bill for heading up this movement. Second, getting the Jefferson running again is a really cool thing. Craig, I talked to SVRA recently and they said that my 91 AMAC was welcome. So it looks like we now have another place to run our cars. Whether or not it will bring out any "garage queens" is still open for debate, but in reality those queens could have been running in Regionals. Generally speaking, the WF-1's haven't migrated down to that level, yet. No matter what others will decide to do, I will be there, providing as they used to say, " Good Lord willing, and the creek don't rise." Wayne
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Bill Maisey	Jefferson Revival	#6	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2176 06/12/08 15:03:50	Point of fact. I've had nothing to do with the Jefferson revival and the inclusion of a class for older DSRs. I am just reporting what I have been told by the people involved. That said, I think it is a great idea and plan to attend/race if my Cheetah hasn't found a new owner. The migration of S2000 to a vintage class has proven to be a big success here on the east coast. DSR could follow that example. IMHO Dumbing down DSR in SCCA will never happen. The concept has been shouted down in the recent past. Technology marches on and DSR is on the leading edge. SCCA needs such a class.
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Tigaman		#7	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 198 06/14/08 20:12:06	The last two years the Jefferson ran, we had 20, then the last year 26 sports 2000 cars attend. Pole was in the mid 17's and we had eight people within eight tenths. It was great racing. I hope they offer it again, but VRG is much more conservative than SVRA OR the old J500. They have a large classic/club Formula Ford group and a lot of them don't care to be mixed in with the faster S2's. I think the only concern S2's have is that a number of DSR's are quicker on the straights and do slow more for the corners, but that's racing! See everyone there. BTW, we are averaging fifteen entries a race in vintage with the S2's... -Peter www.peterkrause.net "The driver is the single greatest performance variable in the racing equation."
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jgaither	"Talks with SVRA indicate that the flat bottom DSRs will be welcome at their races also. "	#8	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2 06/15/08 16:46:09	Generally, SVRA will take about anything that is 10 years old or older. As Peter says, VRG is more restrictive. As for SVRA, that rule will let in probably 95% of the S2's in this country. Seems like it would accomodate a bunch of DSR's as well. Look at what SRCC has accomplished for a model of how to go forward with your own deal. You'll need a tireless leader though. Without one, forget it. We had Vaughn Rockney. He put it over the top. Good luck! jg
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Bill Maisey	Jefferson 500	#9	[url]	[-]
Registered User Posts: 2185 07/14/08 20:12:23	I talked with Bob Houston today. He is the prime mover in making the Jefferson happen. He has the support of Summit Point owners and has secured VRG sanctioning. He has had discussions with the S2000 vintage racing coordinator and the S2000 racers will welcome the DSRs to their race group. Thinking is that if DSR can add 6 or more cars to the group, then it will be large enough to justify a stand alone group. While rules have not been written yet for the DSRs, it is Bob's intention to include as many cars as possible. The Jefferson will be an exploratory outing for the concept of including older DSRs. A good turnout will proof the concept and older DSRs will have a good place to race for years. (And of course, it will have a positive effect on the value of the cars.) Bob would like to have a indication of how many DSRs would likely show up. (I will do a poll) If you would like to discuss any aspect of this intuitive with Bob, his phone number is 703-938-1943. He welcomes your calls. Bob doesn't do email much.
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