Pete Becker
Dive Planes
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Pete Becker |
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Does anyone have any comments or knowledge about the legality of these areo devices mounted on the nose of a DSR. A tech inspector was very curious about the
ones on my son's LSR at NHIS National a couple of weeks ago. We had a hard time trying to prove to him that they were legal.
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Duane Dyckman |
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What the heck was his argument? What's the difference between wings and dive planes? Tell him to get a life.
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ted arken |
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What rule was he thinking the dive planes violated?
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mad2002tii |
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Only rule I know that regulates dive planes is:
Width: The maximum width shall not exceed 221cm (87 inches) including all aerodynamic devices. However, no portion shall extend more than 10cm (3.9 inches) beyond a plane tangent to the outer face of the front and rear wheels with tires. The minimum body width between the front and rear wheels shall not extend inwards beyond a vertical plane connecting the centerlines of the front and rear tires.
Mike Devins
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Pete Becker |
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He couldn't find a rule that allowed them, thus using the old tech principle "If it doesn't say you can, you can't"
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Dave Gomberg |
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Pete Becker wrote:
Pete: Whoever the guy is, he needs to understand that CSR and DSR are not in any way a spec or restricted classes - other than the rules in the 9.1.9.A.2. and the parts of the GCR that apply to all cars. These aren't spec classes (e.g., SRF), nor restricted classes (e.g., S2000). If you run into him again, explain it to him that way. If that doesn't work, tell him to write to the CRB and we'll explain it to him.Dave |
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Stan |
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Pete Becker wrote: Peter,
DSR is not a Restricted Class, so the old adage that "If it doesn't say you can, you can't." does not apply. Rather, the rules lay out the boundaries of the class, and one if free to do anything that does not violate those boundaries or other specific requirements/restrictions of the GCR. For instance, the DSR rules don't "permit" a rear wing, either, so why didn't he have a problem with the rear wings on every DSR in the field? Answer: He doesn't understand the rules.If this happens again, politely point out to him that DSR is not a Restricted Class and that you are free to add aerodynamic devices that do not violate specific provisions within the rules (e.g., height, width, undertray). If he persists, take it up the chain. Stan Stan |
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RaceQuest |
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These inspectors get so jazzed up with the power and authority granted to them by the CAR CLUB and the mentality thereof that they will
overlook serious safety issues and shoddy construction in order to create an international incident over the wrong color pigment in a hood ornament on and ITB
car. I think it just has got to be chocked up to an ongoing issue with amateur motorsports.
Just take it in stride and keep your head.
There is a very specific protest system that must be followed and is subject to a sort of due process. When this happens to you I
recommend that you very nicely request oversight by the Chief Steward and if required file a protest on your own behalf against the inspector. If this occurs
before the event request that the car be ran as is with action pending and you accepting the consequences of disqualification should you be found at fault
through the official process. If challenged afterward, just file your own counter protest following the procedures outlined in the GCR and state your case.
Don't get upset and don't speak with belittling overtones. The procedures are very well spelled out in the GCR.
I would like to share the following quote from a document provided to me by my supplier, as I feel it is appropriate for this thread.
"The philosophy of the SCCA classes differentiates in a very extreme nature based on the evolution of each class. With respect to Sports Racers, there is a range from ultra regulated full SPEC RACERS, with emphasis on driver skill competition only on one end of the spectrum. On the other end of the spectrum is the nearly wide open ASR classification that provides nearly unlimited combinations of construction and design parameters that places a higher emphasis on car design and construction skills over driver skills. DSR and CSR classes have evolved into a classification that creates a
balance encompassing a most profound combination of skill sets, ranging from creative design and construction, to performance tuning skills coupled with an
extensive test of driver skill. These classes are becoming the realm of the creative enthusiasts that enjoy the experimental aspects of motorsports. You
should never expect to simply buy a turn key DSR or CSR and expect to be competitive. You are required to experiment and try new things on a regular basis.
These classes are as much about the car as they are about the tuning and driving. These classes represent true Prototype Racing at about the most economical
level that can coexist with the philosophy nearly open rules specifications. "
Remember, club racing is suppose to be fun. AJM
Last Edited By: RaceQuest 05/23/08 03:49:49.
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