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Jswilson87 |
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I am switching from bias ply to radials and my tire rep says to take some camber out with the new tires. He did not know how much though....any advice?
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fastercar |
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As a starting point I would go with 1/4 to 1/2 degree less in the front and 1/8 to 1/4 less in the rear. After that tire temps should dictate any further
adjustments. Thx, dave.
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Jswilson87 |
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Thanks, sounds like a plan
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KMA4444 |
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Less camber with Radials?
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DMSentra.oregonregionscca |
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Not to be rude but this all assumes you were at the best available setting before the radials?
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Brownslane.diasio |
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Not so much a comment about static steeings, (pyrometer will tell you what is needed), but more about camber change.
Radials like (read: require) more camber change than a bias ply. This is due to the tire construction. If you have a
car with long upper and lower suspension arms and do not see a lot of camber change, the move to the radial may well be a step backwards.
A radial tire carcass (the inner part of the tire) is made in such a way that there is significantly less tire material in the outer and inner shoulders of the tire. The result is that, as the tire rolls into bump or droop, there is less heat retention in these shoulders. The result can be less "shoulder wear" and over-heating caused by excessive heat build-up on the shoulders, but it is also harder to bring (and keep) it up to temperature. Camber change, along with increased scrub, can drive this required heat into the tire. If your suspension has little/no scrub radii and has a relatively flat camber curve with small change, you may not be able to heat the tires sufficiently; therefore, choose your tire compound carefully. You may be able to move to a softer compound, generate more grip, and keep it "sticky" longer. As usual, YMMV. Regards, Tom |
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guilleracing |
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Radial tyres are very much the case of "the light that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long."
You have to work radial tyres to get them up to working temperatures and they " Go off " after fewer heat cycles. You will go faster on Radials that Cross-plies but..... and here is the big thing, you have to be more aggressive on set up. I hate giving out suggestions on set up because as no-one knows how you drive you car, what chassis stiffness you have and damper settings; Your spring rates, the weather and track surface is and anything I have forgotten to mention! I would just advise you that EVERY radial tired car I have see over the last 25 years has had a little MORE static camber than a car with cross-ply tyres. They also have more caster and toe to work the surface to get it to work harder. All the Radials I have ever worked with have had stiffer sidewalls and needed stiffer springs to really get the best out of them. Correpondingly they work better on carbon chassised cars as the need a really stiff platform to get the best out of them. Just as a final point, Radials from AVON are heavier for the same sizes. There is simply more material in the tyre. My only advice would be go testing ( LOTS.) Good luck. Greg. P.S. We now run Yokohama stiff side wall Cross-plies. They are infinately faster than stock cross-plies but last as long and don't have as narrow a window of operation as the Radials we have tried.
Last Edited By: guilleracing 01/03/10 12:08:29.
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Brownslane.diasio |
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Thanks for sharing, Greg. That has been my experience as well.
I am using radials on the Diasio. This car's front end is pretty "scrubby" so I expect decent results. Also I went to the softer compound. I am looking at trying radial Hoosiers on the SR4 when it has four corners again. Best, Tom |
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