should be the correct engine for the 1954-1959 GIAUR H
MOD.cars. Also where are the chassis numbers located
and what do they start with? Were these cars officially called
GIAUR LANICAS or GIAUR ABARTHS? Thanks in advance
CORKY

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miniracer1 |
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HI Everyone, I am hoping someone can help me on what
should be the correct engine for the 1954-1959 GIAUR H MOD.cars. Also where are the chassis numbers located and what do they start with? Were these cars officially called GIAUR LANICAS or GIAUR ABARTHS? Thanks in advance CORKY |
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Tom Clayton |
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Corky,
While I have a modest Giaur Chassis page on my site, A much better reference would be Cliff Reuter and his Giaur - Etceterini page .
Tom Clayton. Visit and add to the
Sports. Racer. Network.
Last Edited By: Tom Clayton 05/10/09 00:13:50.
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S Douglas VanDyke |
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I was honored to be allowed to drive (shuttle) a Giaur to and from Harry Eyerlys dealership to a show at the Oregon State Fairgrounds in about 1961, a total distance of maybe 15 miles. It was a cycle fendered version like the 162H shown in the Giaur site. Harry was one of the early and sucessful HM builder/drivers. He had the car for sale for a friend from Washington state, it wasn't road legal so we put on a dealers plate and I was directed to drive very cautiously. Other than the droole all over it all went well. A great thrill!!
I don't remember what engine it had but beleive it, as was the rest of the car, based on Fiat. I've often wondered what happened to the car. Doug |
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pushrodracer |
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This looks a lot like a Bandini ,they were fiat based .Jerry Greaves with VSCCA has one it was toally redone by John Jacobson of Wilmington DE.
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Tigaman |
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John De Boer ran one for years on the West Coast in vintage.
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iicarJohn |
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The Giaur shown earlier in this thread with race #13 is chassis #BT-035. Although I did assist with the restoration, it was raced for some time by my father, Jarl de Boer and I never drove it at all. Not even once.
The chassis number appears on the support structure supporting the transverse leaf spring of the front suspension that is nominally Fiat 500 ("Topolino") in origin. The Giaur (GIA-UR) name is derived from Berardo Taraschi's initial sports category cars ("Urania") that were built utilizing leftover (from WWII) BMW motorcycle engines set in a tubular chassis that was made by Taraschi. When the BMW engine was replaced (and relocated in the chassis) with a Giannini-modified Fiat 500 ("Topolino") engine, the cars became known as "Giannini-Urania" or "Giaur". According to Taraschi ledger information, BT-035 was the only car completed by Taraschi with a Crosley engine but it was not the only similar car to make racing history with Crosley engines. While doing the restoration, it seemed clear that the Crosley engine was not the first engine that had ever been fitted, so earlier "Taraschi" history seems likely for this car. So far as I can determine, no car was known as "Giaur-Lancia" or "Giaur-Abarth" but there were some cars known as "Giaur" that were not actually constructed by Taraschi. One was the Nardi-BMW "Boby" of 1947 that was fitted later with a Crosley engine and raced for some time in the 1950's by Frank Dominianni. It was apparently modified by Taraschi but it was not a true "Giaur" car despite the name that was on it when it arrived in the USA. Another non-Giaur car, despite the name applied to it, was a car that was imported for Paul Gougelman who raced it initially as a "Lancia" but when it was sold to Sandy MacArthur it somehow became a "Giaur", fitted for a time with a Moretti bialbero engine and then a Mercury 2-stroke outboard engine modified suitably for use in an Hm racing car. Best regards, John de Boer The Italian Car Registry |
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Tigaman |
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Thanks so much for your input, John!
For those of you who are unaware, I would consider John's "Registry of Italian Oddities" a must read for historical information about "etceterini" cars and their sometimes flamboyant constructors! <grin> Those of you who have stories or historical information owe it to the community to help John "fill in the gaps" on these rare and unusual cars. -Peter (my wife owns ST 448, a Siata 300BC) www.peterkrause.net |
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ken kaplowitz |
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Peter where do we find it
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Lee Stohr |
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Very hard to find book. 1994 edition has over 300pgs.
Value approx $150 used. Maybe John can sell us copies ??? |
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I have an extra copy of the Uranai/Giaur/Taraschi book published in 1996, but it's only in Italian. E-mail me at dretceterini@hotmail.com if you have interest.
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